Listener Stories: Vol. 112 featuring. Aliza Kelly

Stories:

1: Haunted House and Gemini Daughter - Jorgina (she/her)
2: How well do you really know your neighbors? - Tay (She/Her)
3: The Girl Scouts helped me save my brother's life - Amy

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Happy February Boozers and Shakers! To celebrate this month that’s full of astrological moments we are joined today by the amazing Aliza Kelly. First we share a few listener stories that happened on our birthdays including a haunted house, a true crime, and even a Girl Scout saving a life! Then Aliza shares some insights on our birth charts and us being Gemini birthday twins - which explains the duality, the chaos, and honestly… everything… and that’s why we drink!

Catch more of Aliza Kelly on her podcast Horoscope Weekly, on socials @AlizaKelly, or visit her website https://alizakelly.com!

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Transcript

[intro music]

Em: Welcome, everyone, to February, first of all. This is our February 1 listeners’ episode, but we have a very special guest with us. Uh, and I am gonna– I hope you don’t mind, but I’m gonna rattle off a couple of your accolades because I was doing a little research last night– 

Christine: Ooh. 

Em: –and you have been busy. So uh, this is Aliza [pronounced “uh-lee-zah”] Kelly. Um, she is a spiritual empowerment expert. She’s a celebrity astrologer. She’s a columnist for The Cut and Marie Claire. She’s a best-selling author five times over. She ha– is the host of two podcasts, uh, Horoscope Weekly and The Practice. Um, and you also have hosted solstice retreats. You founded the Constellation Club– 

Christine: Jeez. 

Em: –for those interested in joining the astrology, spirituality, and magic community. And, uh, you also– my– I hope this is okay saying, but my– I think my favorite thing you’ve done is that you also have offered a lot of online lectures for “intentual”– intention setting, um, workshops in tarot, birth charts, astrology, manifesting, um, and astrology 101 workshops, so. This is at least– 

Christine: And that’s all the time we have for today. Anyway, bye. [laughs] 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] And that’s Aliza Kelly. Thank you so much for being here. 

Aliza: Thank you. Thank you so much. It’s always like so embarrassing when someone– 

Christine: I know. Trust me, we hate it. [laughs] 

Aliza: –says in front of you– Yeah. 

Em: I, I also feel uncomfortable when that happens, so I’m sorry I had to do that to you– 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: –but I, I, I could not stop finding more information about you– 

Christine: It’s amazing. 

Em: –and I was like, you deserve the accolades ’cause that’s– 

Aliza: Aw. 

Em: –a lot of time put in, so congratulations. 

Aliza: Thanks. I’m a Capricorn Rising, so. 

Christine: Oh, that explains it. 

Aliza: Yeah, I, I just– It never stops. [chuckles] 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Well, we famously talk a lot about, um, star signs but like in a very uneducated manner. Uh, so– I mean, you know, like semi-educated manner, which– But it annoys many people ’cause Em has a problem with Scorpios and yada yada. 

Em: I do. 

Christine: We go on and on. Um, so yeah, we’re, we’re– 

Aliza: Oh, well, we should talk about that. 

Christine: We should ta– 

Em: Yes, please. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Oh, we will. I don’t think we have a choice. I think it’ll come up. 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: [chuckles] Um, but yeah, uh, Aliza was kind enough to also, uh, get us our birth charts, uh, made up. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Christine: And I’ve always wondered ’cause Em is a June 3 Gemini; I’m a June 4 Gemini, I can only imagine the kind of clashing– 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: –that happens on that, uh, birth chart mashup, um, so yeah. 

Aliza: Well, yeah. I mean, it– That’s, that’s– You know, and Gemini is the twins, so– 

Christine: Oh, yeah. [laughs] Oh, yeah. 

Aliza: So that’s– It’s, it’s four, right? 

Christine: Wh– Oh, Jesus. 

Aliza: Like it’s practically an– This is a four– This is an orgy podcast. 

Christine: This is– 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: Oh! Okay, but then– 

Em: Finally someone said it. 

Aliza: It’s a foursome. 

Christine: Finally! We’ve been waiting for someone to acknowledge it. Um– 

Em: I’ve been trying to get Christine and I to, you know– I’ve been trying to start rumors– 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: –but, you know, it hasn’t happened yet. 

Christine: We want TMZ to get talking, yeah. 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: Um, we can put that on our like website, like an, “an orgy of a podcast.” 

Aliza: Yeah, that’s, that’s the tagline– 

Christine: I like it. 

Aliza: –for sure. 

Christine: I like it. 

Em: Thank you. No, we’ve had, um– We– I’m sure like– Just like Christine said, but, uh, I feel like there’s a lot of overlap, but then I’m sure there’s a lot of like too close to– 

Christine: [laughs] Yeah. Right, right, right, right. 

Em: I don’t know how to describe it, but absolutely– 

Christine: Chaos? 

Em: –we would love your take on that. Um– 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: –and before we get started, I also have to say I just sounded like I know exactly what I’m talking about by ripping into all of the cool things you’ve done, but I don’t know really the rest of the format of today’s episode ’cause Christine came up with, um, a bit of a– 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: –an idea last minute, and I’m, I’m gonna find out with everybody else and you, Aliza, what, what Christine’s got cooking for us, so. 

Christine: [laughs] Okay. Well– 

Aliza: Exciting. 

Christine: Yeah. So I, um, did a fun little thing where, um– By the way, Aliza, is there anything else you want to share up top? Like anything you’re promoting right now or anything particular you want to– 

Aliza: Oh, n– No, that’s, that’s enough. That’s enough for me. [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Okay, great. Well, I felt like we, we said so much, I didn’t know if there was like one piece of it that you were like, “Let’s focus on that one,” but, um, wow. A woman of many talents. Um, so okay what I did, Em, is I put our birthdays into our Gmail inbox to see like what kind of stories would come up. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Christine: And for me it was a really cool ghost story, and for you it was like a really horrific true crime story, so– 

Em: Oh? [chuckles] 

Christine: –I, [laughs] I have these for us to read as our listener stories. We needed a few listener stories today, and I thought what better, uh, than to search our birthdays and see, you know, what’s, what’s up. So I have this, um, document, Em. I have one that I’m gonna read first to get us started that has my birthday in it and then one– you can read the one that has your birthday in it. [laughs] 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Em: Okay, perfect. Perfect. I have no idea what true crime has occurred on my, on my birthday but excited to find out with everybody else. [chuckles] 

Christine: Yeah, it’s gonna be a doozy. 

Story 1 – Haunted House and Gemini Daughter 

Christine: Um, so this one is from– Now, I tried to look up how to pronounce this in the Norwegian way. Okay? 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Christine: Jorgina [pronounced “hor-geen-ah”]. Jorgina, I think is how you say it. 

Em: Okay. 

Christine: Jorgina [pronounced “yor-geen-ah”]. Jorgina. There we go. So this one is called “Haunted House and Gemini Daughter.” “Hello everyone. My name is–“ here we go “–Jorgina. It’s hard to pronounce because I was named after my great-grandmother from Norway. And yes, I do have creepy photos of her hanging up in my house.” Good. 

Em: Perfect. 

Christine: “So long story long, but spooky things have always happened to me. Paranormal activity doesn’t really freak me out anymore. However, back in 2018, I had my first kid on June 4.” That’s my birthday. 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: “The y–“ 

Em: An omen to us all. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: An omen, I know. The Antichrist was born. 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: “The year before, I bought a house that was built in 1912 in western Washington, and that is old for this part of the country. I’d already experienced some paranormal activity like shadow figures and objects moving around, however, I didn’t really get concerned until my daughter started to experience it herself. As a baby, she would stare at the stairs and sometimes laugh at them – even her father noticed how creepy it would be. When she started to talk, she would say there were eyes on the stairs.” [chuckles] 

Em: What now? 

Christine: “I couldn’t see anything, and I never tried to ask leading questions.” I don’t know if I would want to see. Do you know that moment where you’re like, “I’m gonna look, but I don’t know if I want to see what’s there or if I do”? 

Aliza: Yeah. Just keep your eyes closed. 

Christine: Just clo– Right. It’s probably best not to look. 

Em: 100%. 

Aliza: Yeah, yeah. 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: It’s like as curious– I’m probably the most curious, nosy person in the world. Magically, I, I am not interested. 

Christine: You j– None of your business. 

Aliza: Yeah. [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] All of a sudden, none of your business. Eyes on the stairs? No, thanks. Um, yeah. Okay. So “as a baby–“ [mumbling as she finds her spot] uh-duh-duh, “The more she was able to talk, the creepier things got. One–“ That also feels very Gemini, doesn’t it? 

Aliza: Oh, yeah. 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: “The more she’s able to talk, the creepier things got.” 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: Yeah. 

Aliza: Yeah, that is a tale as old– Gemini tale as old as time. 

Christine: [laughs] Aliza, what is your star sign? 

Aliza: And that’s not even, that’s not even exclusively paranormal. That’s just like– 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Oh, yeah. 

Aliza: –the Gemini experience. 

Christine: No, no, that’s just like built in. Yeah. [laughs] 

Aliza: Yeah. [laughs] 

Christine: The Gemini experience. [laughs] 

Em: I, I, I do feel like I’m just kind of like a, like a runaway tumbleweed sometimes with my words. It just keeps– 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: –keeps going until we, we hit something– 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: And then I just show up and like push you further, and we just keep going forever. Yeah. 

Em: Yes. Yeah. 

Christine: Okay. So let’s see. “I couldn’t see–“ [mumbling as she finds her spot] “One night, I woke up and saw her trying to get into my closet. I asked her what she was doing, and she told me that she was playing hide-and-seek with her friends. I said it’s too late to play and that she needed to sleep. However, I had a hard time falling back to sleep next to my closet. Another time, I was playing with her on the floor of her room. She told me that her friends lived under the floor, but it was really hot down there. [chuckles] After–“ [laughs] 

Em: [chuckles] I’m sorry. Your friends are in hell? What? 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: That’s crazy. [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] Also a Gemini thing feels like. 

Em: [laughs] Okay, okay. 

Aliza: That’s something to call a contractor about also. 

Em: Yeah. [chuckles] 

Christine: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is becoming– 

Aliza: That’s like maybe an insulation issue. 

Christine: Right, right, right. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: It’s like out of, out of our league, yeah. 

Em: I, I pray they’re just like raccoons that are cold for the winter or something. 

Christine: Right, just like your squirrel friends or something, you know. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: It’s fine. 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: Um, it gets worse. Okay. It says, uh, “She told me her friends– After a while, she started to talk to me about the other mommy.” 

Em: [scoffs] 

Christine: “She would tell me that this–“ 

Aliza: Oh my god, this is so Gemini-coded. 

Em: Is it? 

Christine: It is! 

Aliza: Two mommies? 

Christine: Everything about it. I didn’t even realize. 

Em: Twins. [laughs] 

Aliza: Two mommies? 

Christine: I cannot. Double trouble. 

Aliza: Doubles. Always doubles for Geminis. 

Christine: [laughs] [sighs] We always needed you as a commentator. I feel like this is really helpful insight. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Em: Yeah, where were you? You were busy doing all these other things. 

Christine: Too busy. Okay. Uh, let’s see. She talked about the other mommy. “She would tell me that this mommy didn’t look like me and she didn’t like me. She would also point to where the other mommy was, which always seemed to be in my room or her room. On top of that, the other mommy doesn’t like me very much. She once told me there was a man in her bedroom. He lives on the other side of the wall with the other people. The man was nice to her, but the others were not nice. Then she added that the man did not like me and I should not go into her room.” 

Em: Oh my god. 

Christine: “However, I had to make sure a real man wasn’t hiding in there, so I looked around but didn’t see anything.” Again, thank god. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Christine: “This kind of thing happened for a while, and she would just sometimes tell us that someone was watching us. When she was about five years old, she asked me if ghosts were real. I asked her what she thought. She thought for a moment and said, ‘Yes, I think some people just have a little more living to do.’” [chuckles] 

Em: Oh! 

Aliza: Aw. 

Christine: That was nice. 

Em: Lovely. 

Christine: Um, so yeah, that is the story of, uh– that’s like the lovely ghost story, um, from Jorgina, so thank you for sending that in. Um– 

Em: Thank you. 

Christine: –definitely reeks of Gemini energy. 

Em: Yeah, I– 

Aliza: Yeah, d-double everything. 

Em: Thoughts? Yeah. 

Christine: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

Em: I, I, um– Do you– I don’t know if this is a silly question. I’m sorry about– I’m probably gonna embarrass myself when I say this in front of everybody, but, um, is there any connection between certain astrology signs being more connected to like the spiritual side of things? 

Christine: Ohh. 

Em: ’Cause I feel like as a Gemini who just won’t stop yapping, I feel like, in theory, that would mean that we open ourselves up to more things if we’re willing to talk to things versus people who are more analytical and, and maybe shut off to that stuff. But I– You– 

Christine: But then there’s Capricorn. Oh, you– Capricorn Rising. But like then I know some people where I’m like, oh, famously they’re very kind of like you know organized and whatever the other brain side is, and they are very connected and in tune. Yeah, so that’s a good question. 

Aliza: Yeah, I think that, um, every sign can be connected. I don’t think that it’s– I, I, I think that it’s less about the zodiac sign itself, and I see more configurations in people’s whole birth charts– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: –that would indicate, you know, being able to sort of like have easier access to different realms– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –different levels of open-mindedness, right? ’Cause that is also another big part of the equation is you have to, um, identify the experiences that you’re having as something more paranormal– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –or magical or supernatural. Um, so it’s less about the sign, more about the whole birth chart configuration. But I– you know, every sign is, you know– In my book, every sign is witching, right? Like every sign just has a different way of being able to tap into that. 

Christine: I love that. [chuckles] 

Em: Mm-hmm. Have you ever looked at someone’s chart though and gone, “Damn, that’s a spooky person.” Like, “Th-that one’s–“ 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: Oh, yeah. Yeah. 

Em: Okay. 

Aliza: I mean, I have a very spoo– 

Christine: Was it Em? I’m kidding. [laughs] 

Aliza: I have a very spooky chart, so– 

Christine: Do you? 

Aliza: Yeah. And like, you know, I– what I call a spooky chart, um, astrologers of yore would have considered like a hard, difficult, challenging chart. 

Christine: Oh, interesting. 

Aliza: You know what I mean? 

Em: Ah. 

Aliza: Like so I have had to– and, and some of my first– my sort of foray into astrology was sort of like, “Okay, well how do I make this work for me?” 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: “And how can I learn to understand my chart and who I am without just feeling like I’m cursed in like a non-whimsical way?” 

Christine: Right. [chuckles] 

Aliza: [laughs] And I, I think that applying– like figuring out like, “Oh, I have a really spooky chart. Um, and that’s– that works for me,” was actually part of the empowerment that I experienced– 

Em: Sure. 

Aliza: –in my early days of working with astrology. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: And that’s what I like to bring in to the work that I do now is making sure that people recognize like the opportunities in their chart, even when they’re more challenging ones. 

Christine: Ooh. 

Em: Love that. Love that. 

Christine: That’s so cool. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Thank you for sharing. Um, I can’t wait to hear about what Em’s and my charts say. I’m very curious. 

Aliza: Yeah, you ha– you guys have plenty of spooky signatures. Don’t worry. 

Christine: We’re so spooky, Em. 

Aliza: You’re doing exactly– 

Em: You don’t have to tell me. 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: You’re doing the right thing. [chuckles] 

Christine: We’re like that twin– We’re like that emoji of the two dancing– 

Em: Yeah. [chuckles] 

Christine: –gals like doing the can-can. 

Aliza: I l– 

Em: In the leotards. 

Aliza: Yeah, I love– 

Christine: So spooky. 

Aliza: That’s, that’s actually the, the real Gemini emoji. 

Christine: That, that should be the Gemini emoji. That’s what I’m saying. 

Em: I love that. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

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Story 2 – How Well Do You Really Know Your Neighbors? 

Em: Did you– You said I have– There’s the true crime June 3 story for me? 

Christine: Correct. 

Em: Did, did you send it to me yet, Christine? 

Christine: I did. I, I shared it on Gmail. I hope it c– went– 

Em: Oh, Gmail. 

Christine: If not, I’ll text you. 

Em: I can Gmail that. 

Christine: Um, but I ty– So here’s– I’ll give you a brief explanation. I typed in– I didn’t– hadn’t even typed June 4. I just happened to find one that said “Gemini” and had my birthday, and I thought, “Oh, fun. I’ll look up Em’s birthday.” [chuckles] And then I saw “Canadian true crime,” and Em famously loves Canada. So I thought, “Perfect,” and then I started reading it and went, “Oh, dear.” Um– 

Em: Oh, okay. [chuckles] Excellent. 

Christine: Sor– 

Em: Good start. 

Christine: Yeah, sor– 

Aliza: Okay, I’m, I’m buckling up. 

Christine: It’s a good story. Like– I mean, it’s a horrible story, but it’s like, uh, you know, very well told and like, uh, really horrifying, but, um, it is the one that I– It’s a little less, let’s say, whimsical than the one I read for myself, so sorry, Em. [laughs] 

Em: Great. I, I was sick of the whimsy over here. Okay, well– 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: [chuckles] I know. And usually we swap pl– usually we don’t swap places like this. So you’re the true crime half right now. 

Em: I know. It’s a, it’s a new time for me. Um, new year, new me. So this is, uh, a– titled A Canadian True Crime, and it’s from Tay, who uses she/her pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns. Um, it’s actually– 

Christine: Actually– 

Em: Sorry, it’s actually– 

Christine: –I titled it. My yel– Okay, yellow highlight is me interjecting– 

Em: Is you. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: –which like probably at the beginning, half of it was yellow introjections, and I went, “No, no, just–“ 

Em: That’s okay. 

Christine: “–pronunciations are fine.” 

Em: I appreciate it. No, the– Okay, the title is actually, uh, “How Well Do You Really Know Your Neighbors?”. Yikes. Okay, it says, uh, “Hello And That’s Why We Drink family. Uh, my name is Tay, and today I want to share a chilling Canadian true crime story from July 2014. That summer, I moved to my dad’s house in Guelph to attend summer school in order to fast track some credits for grade 12. Our neighborhood was peaceful, except for one unsettling resident, Stephen Dietrich [pronounced “steh-fin deet-rich”].” Nice how you gave me the pronunciation for Stephen but not [stumbles over pronunciation] Dietrich, Christine. [laughs] 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] That one, that one I was like, “You’re on your own. I– Just guess.” 

Em: I’m gonna roll with Stephen Dietrich [pronounced “deet-rick”]. 

Christine: The problem is I looked up Stephen [pronounced “stee-vin”] Dietrich and that was like a famous author or like a well-known author, and I was like, I don’t need to be like slander– you know, I don’t want to be like– 

Em: Sure. 

Aliza: Yeah, yeah. 

Christine: –charged with slander, so. 

Aliza: No one needs a lawsuit. 

Christine: Not today, you know. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Em: The C– “The unsettling Canadian resident and famed author.” [laughs] 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] Yes, and acclaimed author. 

Em: [chuckles] Um, okay. 

Christine: [chuckles] The unsettling resident. 

Em: [laughs] He– Also can you hear that, Christine? The, the revving of that machine. 

Christine: I do not. 

Em: Okay. It’s– My neighbors are doing some yard work. Um– 

Aliza: Oh no, are they also authors? 

Christine: Oh my– Are they? 

Em: [chuckles] They’re certainly unsettling to the neighborhood. 

Christine: Unsettling. [laughs] 

Aliza: Don’t tell me– [laughs] 

Em: I keep hearing a rumbling whenever they’re nearby, so. 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: Uh, okay. An unsettling s– resident, Stephen Dietrich. “He lived two doors down and always gave me the creeps. As Christine has said a million times, ‘Trust your gut.’ Whenever I saw him, he would stop and stare, sending shivers down my spine. Despite my unease, I kept my distance and stayed friendly with him and his wife, Seble [pronounced “seh-bluh”]–“ 

Christine: Yes. 

Em: –“or Mimi, and their three kids. As summer progressed, I noticed something strange – Mimi was no longer outside watching the kids. Instead, a new woman had appeared, and I thought she might be a nanny and didn’t think much of it. Summer ended, and I never saw Mimi again.” 

Christine: [gasps] 

Em: “Fast forward to June 2015. I was on the bus, passing my dad’s street, when I saw police tape, white tents, and forensic investigators swarming Stephen’s house. My heart raced as I called my dad, who told me, with a chilling calmness, that Stephen had been arrested for murdering Mimi.” 

Christine: Oof. 

Em: “As weeks went by, more and more information was released to the public about what had happened to Mimi. The news disclosed that Stephen had beaten his wife to death with a shovel in the family’s garden– in the garden shed following an argument over a cell phone bill.” 

Aliza: Oof. 

Em: “Autopsy photos showed evidence of blunt force trauma to Mimi’s skull, and it was those injuries that caused her death. Stephen then placed her body in a hole he had dug in the backyard and filled it with cement.” 

Christine: Yeah, this is like next level. 

Em: Whew. 

Aliza: Oh my gosh. 

Em: Like were the kids still out there playing over her–? 

Christine: Like– Yeah, I think so. 

Em: Oh my god. 

Christine: To give you a little spoiler, yeah. 

Em: Oof. “Stephen had been having an affair with a woman from Toronto, and their relationship blos–“ 

Christine: Which, by the way– Sorry, I just realized this too. Like, that cell phone bill is your fucking problem, guy. 

Em: Right. 

Christine: Like if– 

Em: You were calling this woman from Toronto. What are you doing? 

Christine: –you’re having an affair– 

Aliza: Right. Yeah, that’s– 

Christine: –with a woman who doesn’t live in town? Like you can’t blame your wife for this cell phone bill. 

Aliza: Cell phone bill. 

Em: Yeah. And also how did– And what was the– Whatever. I can’t even get into th– I’m being too nosy. Um– [chuckles] 

Christine: [chuckles] No. You? 

Em: [chuckles] It’s like, “And also–“ Um– 

Aliza: [laughs] “And also who’s the carrier?” 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] “And also can I look at the bill? ’Cause how high was it?” 

Christine: “Receipts please.” 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: Yeah. [chuckles] “This relationship blossomed in the months leading up to Mimi’s death, and texts between them revealed his unhappiness and intentions to divorce Mimi. Court documents revealed that Stephen and his mistress exchanged messages before and after he killed his wife, and the texts spoke of one day living together as a family. In the early hours of June 3, the woman ha– the woman had (he was having an affair with) wrote to him, saying that she was lonely. Stephen responded, ‘No, you have me! If you want, I’m yours! I have a family! Yes! I’m happy? No! And my wife? On paper! Yes! We do not sleep together! If she’s here, she sleeps in another room! Only a show for the kids!’” 

Christine: Happy birthday, Em. [chuckles] Sorry. 

Em: [chuckles] Yeah. Whoo. Also– 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: That was the only like date– specific date in this email. And I went, “Well, it says June 3, and our inbox has no other June 3–“ 

Aliza: [laughs] Well, it’s Em’s birthday. 

Christine: It is Em’s birthday, and so we gotta mention it. 

Aliza: Well, it’s a happy birthday day. [chuckles] 

Christine: That’s right. 

Em: It’s also like– uh, I– His writing really threw me off. “I have a family! Yes! I’m happy? No!” What sign is that? ’Cause that’s the worst sign, the one who keeps ask– answering their own question. 

Christine: My father writes that way where it’s like exclamation points, exclamation points, question mark, excla– And It’s like, who are you talking to? Like– Yeah. 

Em: It’s like, no one asked any of those questions to begin with. You’re just giving yourself a little lecture. Okay, um– 

Aliza: Yeah. I feel like I’ve had– I had a lot of bosses over the years who wrote like that. 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: Yes. 

Aliza: I feel like that’s like a very classic boomer cadence, male boomer cadence. 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: Very interesting. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Boomer cadence. Yeah. ’Cause they’re like, “Am I happy? No!” [continues to mumble questions and answers intensely] 

Aliza: “Am I happy? No!” [continues to mumble questions and answers intensely] 

Christine: “Do I– Am I working? Yes.” 

Em: “Am I answering my own questions? Absolutely.” 

Aliza: Right. [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] “I forget. What day is it?” 

Em: “Am I annoying? You betcha.” Um– 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: So, okay, last part to this story is “It was around the same time–“ I guess that– those messages. “It was around the same time that Steph–“ 

Christine: Your birthday. 

Em: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. 

Christine: Just to specify [chuckles]– 

Em: Thank you. 

Christine: –your birthday time. 

Em: June 3. 

Christine: I guess our birthday time because it– one day. 

Em: [sighs] “It was around that same time that Stephen began researching ways to get a divorce from Mimi. Just days before killing his wife, Stephen completed an online application in Mimi Dietrich’s name to initiate divorce proceedings.” Oh! So okay, forgery. 

Christine: Mm. 

Em: Um, “He paid for it with his own credit card. Police found he also made several internet searches regarding where he could buy–“ Um– 

Christine: I think it’s diethyl ether. [chuckles] 

Em: “–diethyl ether–“ Yeah, you really stopped helping me pronounce these things. 

Christine: [laughs] I gave up. 

Em: “–diethyl ether and chloroform.” Pretty much, uh, uh, things that would put you to sleep. ’Cause on– 

Christine: Things you shouldn’t be g-googling, yeah. 

Aliza: Yeah, yeah. 

Em: Or, or, or inhaling. “On Ask.com, he wrote, ‘Where can I buy chloroform?’” 

Christine: Ask.com. 

Aliza: Okay. So yeah, we know, we know the profile of this person if he’s going on Ask.com. 

Christine: Fair enough. 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: That’s– Say less. 

Em: That’s a great point. AskJeeves.com, yeah. 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: No, that’s very incriminating. 

Christine: “I’m gonna MapQuest the directions too.” 

Aliza: Yeah. [chuckles] 

Christine: It’s like, what are you up to, guy? 

Em: We may not know his astrology sign yet, but we do know his age. You were totally right. 

Christine: Yeah, you’re, you’re clocking it, I think. 

Em: You were totally right. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Em: “On July 10, 2014, the couple received an outstanding phone bill, which angered Stephen. Um, he called the phone provider, and a recording of the call captured Stephen arguing with Mimi. It is the last time her voice was heard.” 

Christine: Oof. 

Aliza: Mm. 

Em: “Surveillance footage showed Stephen leaving Mimi’s car with an envelope in his hand and getting in a taxi. He dropped the envelope in the mailbox of his employer, who was also a good friend of Mimi, and the envelope contained four letters purportedly typed and signed by Mimi, as well as her wedding ring, a SIM card from her cell phone, her car keys, a color copy of her German passport, and her Canadian residency card. And the alleged letters from Mimi indicated that she was pregnant with another man’s child and had run off to start a new life.” 

Christine: This fucking guy. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Em: “She praised her husband and admitted to stealing money from him. She wanted a divorce so he could find someone better than her.” 

Christine: Imagine th– like how– 

Em: I love how at the end he found a way to also praise himself. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: I know. I was gonna say like it’s the most narcissistic letter. Like, “I can’t actually write anything except how great I am–“ 

Em: Yeah. [laughs] 

Christine: “–even though– even in a fake letter.” 

Em: Great point. 

Christine: Yeah, it’s just sad and scary. 

Em: “A month after Mimi’s disappearance, Stephen’s mistress moved into the home, and Stephen told his children that their mother had left to start a new family and no longer loved them.” 

Aliza: Oh my god. 

Em: “After this arrest, police performed an extensive search of the house. With the help of police dogs, they found Mimi’s body buried–“ 

Christine: Eugh. 

Em: “–under a recently poured cement pad in the shed. She was curled up in the fetal position–“ 

Aliza: Aw. 

Em: “–fully clothed, and dressed in rubber boots. Also they discovered in the clandestine grave was a license plate frame that said, ‘Give Jesus a chance. He died for the opportunity.’ S–” 

Christine: What the fuck? 

Aliza: That’s a, that’s license plate? 

Em: A license plate. They found that in the grave. 

Christine: Like frame. 

Aliza: The frame of a license plate. 

Em: Oh, the frame. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: Okay. 

Em: Still– 

Aliza: I was like, “That’s–“ I was like, “They have very long license plates in Canada.” [chuckles] 

Christine: Yeah, it said “GJACHD–“ [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] That’s a great– It’s like, “Why is there 50 characters here?” 

Aliza: [laughs] Yeah. 

Em: Um, interest– Like I’m confused about– 

Christine: I am as well. 

Em: –in this– in the story building, in the world building of this, would she be holding that frame when she– Whatever. 

Christine: I just wonder if like he kicked it in? Like it got cement on it or something, and he kicked it in with– 

Em: Ohh, okay. 

Christine: You know, I don’t know. I don’t know. It was just a random fact, I guess. 

Em: Or he saw something that said “Jesus,” and he was like, “Okay, maybe that’ll help me later.” 

Christine: Yeah, I guess so. 

Aliza: Yeah, I feel like that’s like a quick repent. 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: Yeah. Ew. Good point. 

Em: L– Uh, “Stephen was arrested and charged with first-degree murder nearly a year after Mimi was first reported missing. Despite the original charges, Stephen pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison with no eligibility of parole until 2037. Um, thank you for reading my story. Uh, sorry–“ 

Christine: Read the last line. 

Em: Yeah. “Sorry if I pulled a Christine and ruined your mood, Em.” Um– 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: You know, it is– 

Christine: Happy birthday! [chuckles] 

Em: It is, uh, you know common on a true crime podcast to be a little bummed out at the end of everything. But, um, yeah, I am bummed out. Thanks, Tay. But you know what? 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: At least we got to, uh, say Mimi’s name, and, uh– 

Christine: Yeah, yeah. 

Em: –let everyone know who she was, so. 

Christine: It’s quite a shocking story, and I didn’t see much about it. There’s information online, but it’s really not like a very well-re– like oft-reported case, so. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Christine: Um, Tay, thank you for sharing that, and also yikes. 

Em: I, I do have a– I have another silly question. I’m so sorry. But you’re here to answer my silly questions, I guess. Um, I want– 

Christine: We've got you on the clock. [chuckles] 

Em: We’ve got you trapped. Um, well, I, I don’t know– I don’t even really know how to– Maybe if you can read my mind, Christine, and help me figure out a way to ask it correctly. But, um, is– Does it mean anything when like something that intense, that big of an event happens on a certain day? Does that like shift everything astrologically for everyone or–? Like does that– 

Christine: Mm. 

Em: Does that mess with the cosmos at all when big events happen on– in certain seasons? 

Christine: Ooh. 

Em: Is that– 

Aliza: Well, it’s a, it’s an interesting question because you know the– a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the moment someone is born based on their date, time, location of birth, um, but events also have birth charts. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: So for example, um, I was born August 18th, 1989, um, which happened to be the Menendez murders at that exact– 

Christine: Oh boy. 

Em: Oh! 

Aliza: Yeah, same day. So I have the same chart [chuckles] as the Menendez murders, which is– 

Em: Wow. 

Christine: Someone had asked me before like, “Oh, have you ever looked at the chart for that day?” And I was like, “You bet I have.” 

Em: Yeah. [chuckles] 

Christine: You betcha! [chuckles] 

Aliza: “I know it like the back of my hand.” 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: “Yeah, that’s a chart I know very well.” 

Em: Oh my god. 

Christine: Wow, that’s weird. 

Aliza: It’s– But it’s interesting because the energy of that day, obviously you’re gonna read it through the lens of– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –uh, an event that happens. You’re gonna read it in terms of like you know– especially when we’re looking at true crime dates or, um, you know these, these big powerful moments in history where there were big turning points, right? Like September 11, 2001, right? Like– But that’s also the– there’s a kid born on September 11, 2001 too. But mystically, that energy is the same, right? 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: It’s just manifesting differently– 

Christine: Interesting. 

Aliza: –in the form of sort of a crescendo moment, um, that would happen in world history or in the collective versus in somebody’s birth chart as– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: –as something that they are embodying and carrying with them. And listen, like the Menendez murder chart, you know, the charts for those days, like as someone who has that birth chart, I have had power dynamic things happen throughout my life, right? 

Em: Interesting. 

Aliza: I am not p– I do not foresee sort of that playing out in a, [chuckles] in a similar way whatsoever– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –but in a very different application in a different reality in a different circumstance, like I understand how those energies could, could manifest in a way that would create something like that, right? 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: And– 

Christine: Like two sides, same coin type of thing. 

Aliza: Yes. And when we look at things that are happening in real time, you know, events that are unfolding currently, um, and you know, the horror stories that come from con– current events, it’s like that energy– we’re gonna look at that energy through the lens of what we know happened– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –but that energy can also show up in other ways too. 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: Interesting. Okay, that’s very deep. 

Aliza: Yeah. And like babies– you know, in 2026 and this month in February, we have some massive astrology happening– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –some like landmark astrology. Um, we have Saturn and Neptune connecting for the first time in 36 years. The last time was in actually 1989– 

Christine: Ooh. 

Aliza: –corresponding with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Um, so you know we are looking at– Astrologers have been anticipating this really big astrological happening for years, for decades. Um, and also babies are gonna be born with that signature in their chart too. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: So like all of the things are true at the same time. 

Christine: Pisces babies. Ooh. 

Aliza: Pisces babies. 

Christine: Um– 

Em: I– 

Christine: Wow. 

Em: Yeah. I guess that’s, uh– I guess– 

Christine: And Aquarius, I guess. 

Em: I was thinking about it if maybe in the inverse where the astrology comes first and then the events follow the stars then– versus like oh, well the events caused the stars to shift. I don’t know why I thought that way. 

Aliza: It's kind of like a chicken-egg situation, you know? 

Christine: Right, it feels like it would be, yeah. 

Aliza: Because astrology is so much our interpretation, um– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: You know, the way that I interpret astrology is going to be very different than like [chuckles] you know some like right-wing MAGA astrologer would interpret what’s going on. 

Christine: Sure. 

Em: Sure. 

Christine: Is that a thing? ’Cause that deserves like a TLC show, and I would watch it. 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Like I would hate watch it all day. 

Aliza: It, it certainly is a thing. 

Em: [groans] 

Aliza: It’s certainly a thing. 

Christine: [laughs] It is a thing? Oh, I– We gotta talk off or we could talk online, but I have questions about that. 

Aliza: Yeah, I mean, I– There was a big– I, I think that it’s always existed, but it really– like the rupture really happened during the pandemic. Um– 

Christine: Yes, I do recall that. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Yeah, yeah. 

Aliza: And [scoffs] yeah, it’s– It was a wild time to like– 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: A lot of things came out of the– 

Aliza: A lot of things came out. 

Christine: I remember people being like, “Wait, what?” like splitting, like groups just splitting. 

Aliza: Splitting. Yeah, yeah. 

Em: Yeah. I also remember the– when the eclipse was happening, they– a lot of people took that literally– quote “literally” from the Bible of being some big thing and– So. 

Christine: Right. So yeah. So– Yeah, like ascribe meaning. 

Aliza: Right. 

Em: I guess, I guess, I guess they do exist. I just– They’re not in my circle– 

Christine: I know. 

Em: –so it, it blows my mind that, that they’re, they’re out there, but they are. Um, interesting. 

Christine: Wow. 

Story 3 – The Girl Scouts Helped Me Save My Brother's Life 

Christine: Well, Em, I have one last thing to read for you real quick. It’s an apology ’cause I, I did find one more email that came up in the search, and it had June 3, but I couldn’t find it. And then I realized it was in a newspaper clipping attached to the email– 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: –and this is my– this is your comeuppance tale, okay? 

Em: Thank you. 

Christine: June 3. Um, this is the email we received from Amy which says, “Hi Em and Christine. I just finished listening to the episode where Christine covers the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders, and I knew I had to send in my story. My mom had signed me up for Girl Scouts as a Brownie when I was nine, even though I wasn’t too thrilled about the camping part. I was convinced we were going to see a bear while camping. My mom reassured me that would never happen and said she would go on camping trips with me so I would feel safer. Well, the first time she couldn’t go on a trip with me, we had a bear encounter at the camp and–“ [chuckles] 

Em: Oh my god. Wow 

Christine: “–had to lock ourselves in the mess hall. This didn’t–“ 

Em: Wow, that’s a– just– 

Christine: “–help my chronic anxiety,” it says, which– 

Em: No. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: –yeah, I imagine it wouldn’t. “The parts of the Girl Scouts that I really enjoyed was earning badges.” That feels [chuckles] very like millennial, like, like collecting a badge. 

Em: I mean– 

Aliza: Yeah. I also– like if– I, I’m always guessing– I, I have to like g– 

Christine: You have to, I bet. 

Aliza: I wish that we had all the submissions of everyone’s signs all the time. 

Christine: We should re-require it. We should re– 

Aliza: It, it– 

Christine: We, we put a thing for pronouns. We should put like date of– Well, maybe not date of, time of birth. [laughs] 

Aliza: Social security– 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Social security. [laughs] 

Aliza: –home address– 

Christine: Last four of Amex. 

Aliza: –maiden name. [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] Yes. 

Christine: [laughs] It’s good. 

Aliza: But this feels very Aries to me. 

Em: Interesting. 

Christine: Okay. I love this. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Okay. I love this. Okay, good to know. 

Aliza: I, I love the collecting badges as like– 

Christine: Oh my god. 

Aliza: –“I will take the bear attack if I get the badges.” 

Christine: Yes. 

Em: I love that. 

Christine: Oh, a little rew– Okay, we’re gonna have Amy write back in and let us know because I’m very curious about that. 

Em: Ooh. 

Christine: Um, well, there’s actually a lot more, and Amy is the star of the story, so I feel like you might know by the end. 

Aliza: Oh, yeah, yeah. Amy, Amy. 

Christine: You, you gotta like do the reverse chart– 

Em: You’ll have it’s– like locked down. 

Christine: –like just start drawing it as I talk– 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: –and maybe it’ll come through. Um, okay. This is crazy, guys. Okay, I en– “The part I enjoyed was earning badges. I can still remember the big book that we had that had new things we were going to learn about and what badge we would earn when we mastered the skill. One of these skills was first aid, the kind of survival stuff Em would like, such as what to do if you get cut, stung by a bee, break a bone, hit your head, and what to do if someone is choking, and how to perform the Heimlich maneuver.” 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: “Less than a week later, little nine-year-old me ended up needing this skill to save my two-year-old brother’s life.” 

Em: See, that’s why we like to know these things. You never know. 

Christine: Uh-huh. 

Aliza: I like to know these things too. 

Christine: I need to get back on that and learn that a little better, I think. I need to take like a– This, this inspired me. Take like another little Red Cross refresher or whatever they call ‘em. 

Em: I’m literally taking a first aid CPR class next weekend, so. [chuckles] 

Christine: See, it’s important. 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: My brother and I were cleaning my room but mostly just playing when I noticed that my brother was laying down on the floor, gagging and choking on something.” 

Em: Hm. 

Christine: “He was starting to turn purple, and in that moment, I knew exactly what to do since the Heimlich maneuver practice was fresh in my mind.” Have that badge, you know. 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: “I quickly flipped him over and put my fist by his belly button, covered it with my other hand, and started pushing on– in– my fist in his stomach and pulling him towards me. He pretty quickly coughed up what he was choking on, which was a small metal weight from a toy.” 

Em: Oh. 

Christine: “It was from one of those balancing eagles that you could put the beak of the bird on your fingertip and it would balance because of a metal weight in either side of the wings. Well, apparently the bird broke, and the weight was lying on the floor, and my brother found it and put it in his mouth.” 

Em: Yikes. 

Christine: “So after this happened, I could see that my brother was okay. I ran into the kitchen to tell my mom what happened. She was talking on the phone, so she waved me away and told me that she was on the phone.” 

Em: [nervous chuckle] 

Christine: “I told her it was really important, [chuckles] and I think that–“ 

Em: “Mom!” 

Aliza: This girl is, is– 

Christine: [chuckles] The call was really important. 

Aliza: This– Amy really like is– She did the right thing. She w– 

Em: She did. 

Christine: Oh, at nine. 

Aliza: She di– She went in the right order. I’m so impressed. 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: And then– 

Christine: To go get mom after saving the life, like– 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Em: Yes. 

Christine: –once he’s okay. 

Aliza: I am so– 

Christine: I’ve never heard of anything like it. 

Aliza: Amy, wow. 

Em: She deserves the badge. 

Aliza: Get– 

Christine: Amy deserves like a lot of badges, I think. 

Aliza: A lot of badges. 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: The golden one. I don’t know if there is a golden one, but she deserves that one. 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: Um, okay. 

Aliza: Purple heart. 

Christine: I could tell– “I told my mom it was really important, [chuckles] and I think she could tell I was shaken up over something, so she immediately ran to check on my brother. She was so amazed that I was able to put to use something I just learned at Girl Scouts that week to actually save his life. We were convinced that if I didn’t react as fast as I did, he would have choked to death on that stupid weight. My mom was so impressed that she called our local news stations, and I ended up on the news and in two different local newspapers. The–“ 

Em: Hey, girl. 

Christine: [chuckles] “The timing of this is crazy too because this happened almost exactly one year after my dad had died–“ And one of the articles talks about that, and it was like a really tragic like sudden death, so– And they talk about in the article like it’s a year later. 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: Um, “–and I don’t know how my family would have survived another death in the family. What’s even more crazy is that 24 years after this happened, my 14-year-old son saved my 4-year-old son from choking on a Lego by performing the Heimlich maneuver on him.” 

Em: My gosh. 

Christine: What the heck? 

Em: What is going on in this family? [chuckles] What is– 

Aliza: Wow. 

Christine: Yeah, guys are just like saving lives– 

Em: Wow. 

Christine: –left and right. “Overall, Girl Scouts was great for me for the first few years I was in it. I have so many skills I learned that I still u–“ This has been an ad for Girl Scout– No, I’m kidding. 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: It kind of is, though. I’m like, honestly, I feel like this is a good ad for– 

Em: If it, if it teaches all the children across America– 

Christine: –any sort of training. 

Em: –to know how to save lives, I mean, you know. 

Christine: Yeah, I learned how to make rice balls in Girl Scouts, not, not this. Um– 

Aliza: Wow. 

Em: I– 

Christine: Wow. 

Em: I learned nothing, so. Um. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: Anyway, it says– [laughs] You learned that you don’t like to ride horses, and that’s an important thing to learn. 

Em: I, I learned that I’d have to wait until I was 30 to actually take a first aid class again and then not get a badge, by the way, when I– 

Christine: Right, right, right. And no badge. 

Aliza: Wait, did everyone go– Was everyone in Girl Scouts? 

Em: What’s that? 

Aliza: Everyone was in Girl Scouts? 

Christine: I did like Brownies for like a year, and then I think I was just kind of socially ousted. 

Aliza: Ah. 

Em: I did some knockoff YMCA version of Girl Scouts. 

Aliza: Okay. [laughs] 

Christine: Oh, inter– What was it called? 

Aliza: Dupe. [laughs] 

Christine: Like Brownies, they called it like– 

Em: I think it was, I think it was literally called like Stay Prepared. Like it was like– 

Christine: Oh, I see, I see, I see. Did you– 

Aliza: But maybe it seeded that interest in you. 

Christine: Interesting. 

Em: Maybe, maybe. I do, I do just like to be h-handy in a crisis. That’s me. 

Christine: And Em also loves a fun fact. 

Aliza: A, a Virgo Rising. We love to see it. 

Em: Thank you. 

Christine: Oh, Virgo Ri– Yeah. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Loves a fun fact, also loves, um, loves to collect a badge, Em, for sure. That’s very– 

Em: I’ll collect anything. I love a tchotchke. 

Christine: Love a tchotchke. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: Um, and now, I just want to read this last thing. 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: [chuckles] Amy said, “I’m attaching the– P.S. I’m attaching the news articles I just found a couple months ago while going through my aunt’s things after she passed away. Of course, she had them laminated and put in a protective, uh, protective sleeve.” And I have this– literally June 3– Tuesday, June 3, 1997. “Brownie gives squeeze of life.” 

Aliza: [gasps] 

Christine: “Nine-year-old saves her ba–“ I’ll use my journalism voice. [clears throat] 

Em: Please. 

Christine: “Nine-year-old saves her baby brother. Ontario.” Oh, this happened in Canada too. 

Aliza: Wow. 

Christine: Em, what’s happening? [laughs] 

Em: I know. 

Christine: All your stories are Canadian. 

Em: I love it. 

Christine: “She keeps blanking on the name, but nine-year-old Amy Adkins used a Brownie lesson in the Heimlich maneuver to save her youngest brother from choking. Amy got a two-year-old Collin to spit up a lead weight the size of an animal cracker that he’d partly swallowed. How did she do it? ‘I did the…?’’ she said Monday, trailing off and looking at her mother. ‘Heimlich maneuver,’ Kimberly Adkins prom– prompted her. ‘Heimlich maneuver, whatever,’ Amy said.” [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] She’s like, “Words aren’t important. His life is saved.” 

Christine: [laughs] Amy. 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: I love her. 

Em: That’s amazing. 

Christine: “Her Brownie leader, Paula Hamilton, has her own word for it: amazing. Just last Tuesday, Troop 547 had a safety lesson in which the girls learned how to stop someone from choking. ‘We made our left hand into a fist, then cover the right hand over it,’ Amy said, ’Then with your fist, you find the belly button, and you push up three times.’ She put that lesson into action Sunday morning while cleaning up her room. Collin was in the room too, lying on his back playing with the lead weight that had dropped out of a broken figurine. As small objects are wont to do when young children are around, the weight made its way into Collin’s mouth. ‘He was coughing and gagging,’ Amy said. ‘His face was turning purplish.’ She flipped her brother onto his stomach, then got him to pop the weight out. She ran to the kitchen to interrupt her mother on the telephone.” [chuckles] 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: “Kimberly found Collin standing very solemnly, quote, ‘one little tear coming down his cheek.’” 

Aliza: Aww. 

Em: Aww. 

Christine: Poor baby. 

Em: Baby’s first trauma. 

Christine: Seriously. “Hamilton, who was informed of her pupil’s work, noted that while not all choking situations are life-threatening, Colli– Collin would have been too young to help himself.” Uh, and it says, “This lesson was important for the Brownies because girls are often left with young children.” So yeah, if you don’t have that skill. 

Em: Oof. 

Christine: Um, and it says, “Amy, the oldest of the three Adkins children, helps ou– out a lot around the house since their father’s death a year ago. Uh, Collin likes to spend time with her. Amy is cooler with her affections. Quote, ‘He’s cute but annoying,’ she said.” [laughs] 

Em: “But he’s allowed to stay alive.” [laughs] 

Christine: I love– Yeah, “I guess I’ll save him.” 

Aliza: “But we’ll keep him.” [laughs] 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: “But we’ll keep him for now.” 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: “Amy learned a lesson from all this. Did Collin? He was still putting things in his mouth Monday. But only lollipops.” The end. [laughs] 

Em: I would be pissed if I was Amy. I’d be like, “Are you serious? I–“ 

Christine: “Take that out right now.” [laughs] 

Aliza: “Again? Again?” [laughs] 

Christine: “Again?” [laughs] 

Em: “Are we not learning?” Okay. 

Christine: I’m just like so amazed by this. And the fact that it came with like a newspaper article, I just– 

Em: I know. 

Christine: –was delighted. Um, so Amy, I’m sorry for your loss of, of your father, by the way. All of this sounds very traumatic. 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: And, uh, we appreciate you, and we’d love to know– Aliza, do you have any like, um, updates on like your take on like– 

Aliza: I, I think Amy’s an Aries. 

Christine: I love this. Okay. Uh, Amy, write back. 

Em: Love that. 

Christine: If you’re an Aries, I would love to know. 

Aliza: Yeah. I mean, she’s a warrior. She’s a hero. 

Christine: Hell yeah. 

Aliza: That– 

Christine: A hero, for sure. 

Aliza: Very– That’s Aries energy. 

Christine: Like cool, ca– Just like fucking ready to jump into action. 

Aliza: Yes. 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: Hell yeah. 

Em: I love that. 

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Em and Christine’s Birth Charts 

Christine: Well, those are the end of my contributions to today’s episode, everybody. [chuckles] 

Em: [chuckles] Well– No, thank you. Thank you for even finding those stories. That was awesome. Um, I, I am more curious, uh, about your– about– Aliza, about your take on our birth charts. I– 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: I– All I’ve heard so far is that my Virgo Rising actually is, um, is in with– is within me, but I’ve actually never felt connected at all to that part of me. So– 

Christine: I’m always surprised by that part of, that part of your birth chart, but I don’t really– 

Em: It’s– 

Aliza: Oh, really? 

Em: Y– At all. And so it’s so interesting that you immediately clocked that. 

Christine: I love that. Wait, yeah. Tell us more about this Virgo Rising thing. 

Aliza: Wait, I, I– This is stunning to me because I feel– 

Em: Really? 

Aliza: Yeah, in, in– I feel like you’re so Virgo Rising. 

Em: [chuckles] I had no idea. 

Christine: What does it mean? What does that– How does that come across? 

Aliza: I– I mean, okay. Well, so can you guys share with me like a little– Like where, w-where are you in your astrology journeys? 

Christine: Who are you? 

Em: [chuckles] 

Aliza: How much do you know your charts? Who– Where am I right now? 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: Who– Where are we right now? 

Aliza: What is happening? Uh– 

Christine: Get me out of here. [laughs] 

Aliza: But like how much– 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: Do you know about your charts? Astrology? 

Em: Sure. 

Aliza: Drop me in. 

Em: Take it away, Christine. You got a lot more to say than me. 

Christine: Okay. I have– I’ve done, uh, some cursory research. I have friends who are very, um, well– pretty well-versed in astrology. I’m like on the newbie-ish side as far as I’ve looked at my birth chart. I’ve had some people kind of point some things out, but I, I cannot read it. Like I get mixed up when I try to actually understand it. I feel like it’s in a language I can’t, can’t read. Um, but I find it like deeply fascinating, and it’s something I regularly– I follow– Like I’ve been trying to learn more, so I’m actively learning. What about you, Em? 

Em: Um, I, I know enough about the, the, the signs and their– 

Christine: To hate Scorpios. [laughs] 

Em: To hate Scorpios. I, I– 

Aliza: Oh, yeah. We have to talk about that. 

Em: I, I, I have an ex who really ruined the entire, uh, group of people for me. Um, I– 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: –I’m just hesitant. And then I become friends with people, and then they’re like, “I’m a Scorpio,” and I go, “ [sucks in air through teeth] Ah, that one hurt. But it’s okay. We can make it work.” But I’m– 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: –I’m, I’m aware. Uh, I– No, I had, um– I, I know enough about the s– I guess the main classic stereotypes of each of the signs that if someone says, “I’m a Taurus,” I can kind of guess what that means. But I wouldn’t be able to look at anybody and go, “I know exactly what’s going on here.” 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: Um, and I, I do feel very attached to the Gemini in me, um, only because when I read the descriptions of each sign, I have like word– word for word I have agreed with Gemini. 

Christine: It’s like, it’s like creepy when people do like “Gemini friend memes” and it’s like, “They never stop talking,” and it’s like, “Oh, we’re literally professional podcasters.” 

Aliza: [laughs] Yeah. 

Em: Yeah, yeah. 

Christine: Gemini fri– 

Aliza: Professional talkers. [chuckles] 

Christine: Literally. So it, it sometimes is a little on the nose, yeah. 

Em: Yeah. The– I– And I, I know my Big Three, but any– anything else beyond that, I have no idea what that means. 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: I have nothing, so. 

Aliza: Cool. 

Em: Um, but, but I do feel very– And maybe you do too, Christine, but I feel very in touch with the Gemini in me, but the– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Em: –and the Cancer kind of– my Cancer Moon makes sense a little bit to me. But Virgo Rising, I just– 

Christine: It feels like out of nowhere– 

Em: Yeah. 

Christine: –but I guess it’s not. 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: Okay. So let’s– For our listeners and for also you both– 

Em: Yes. 

Aliza: –let’s, um, go through what Sun, Moo– how we distinguish Sun, Moon, and Rising because I think it’s really important. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: So your Sun is you. Your Sun is the sun, right? It’s consistent. It comes up every day. It’s gorgeous. It’s visible. It’s radiant. It takes up the most space. It’s like in your face, right? 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: So our Sun represents the part of our personality that is sort of the essence of us, right? So our ego is tied to it, our sense of self, our identity, our external experiences. The Moon is our internal experiences. 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: So for some people, if you were born, for example, on a new Moon and your Sun and Moon are in the same sign, that’s really an interesting sort of like fusion of an– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: –external and an internal experience. But for the majority of people, the Sun and Moon are not in the same sign. And this shows the sort of nuances over our character, right? 

Em: Okay. 

Aliza: I like to say that the Sun is sort of our, you know, what we do during the day and then the Moon is when we’re in bed at night, how we are feeling and reflecting– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: –about– 

Em: Love that. Okay. 

Aliza: –on those experiences. 

Christine: Oh, that’s such a better way to think about it, like to remember it, I mean. ’Cause I– 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: –I always get confused about– Yeah. Anyway, love that. 

Aliza: Yeah. And the moon is also– You know, it’s, it’s very different, um, celestially from the sun. The sun is– Other than during an eclipse, the sun is very consistent. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: You know, it shows up. It’s this big beautiful bright ball in the sky. Even if it’s cloudy, you’re like, “It’s daytime. I get it.” Um, the moon is constantly oscillating. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: It’s changing. It’s changing in shape. It’s changing location. It moves fast, right? So the Moon is also our– sort of our ever-present and ever-changing emotional sphere. 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: Um, and that shows us sort of the, the wax and wane and the fluctuation of our own internal experience, which is meant to be something that is, is, is fluid, right? 

Christine: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

Aliza: It’s that there’s more change and variability to than our identity, right? 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: Um, the Rising is a really interesting and misunderstood placement because the Rising is incredibly, uh, sensitive. It’s a very sensitive point that corresponds with the exact minute you were born. 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: So oftentimes, you know, when I, when I go on podcasts or when I do sessions and someone gives me like a, “I was born at noon,” I’m like, “Just so you know, I don’t buy it.” 

Christine: [chuckles] Yeah. I love it. 

Aliza: Like the odds of you being born at noon are like– tha– that seems like a very easy way– 

Em: Right. 

Aliza: –that someone wrapped it up, you know. But if– 

Christine: That happened to me. I was eight minutes off, and my, my Rising completely changed. 

Aliza: Yes, exactly. 

Christine: And a bunch of people were like, “That makes a lot more sense.” [chuckles] 

Aliza: Yes. So– 

Christine: And I was like, “Really?” 

Aliza: Yes. So the Rising is really delicate, and it can change within a few minutes. It actually changes degree every two minutes. So for some people, it’s like– it can shift radically. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: And the sensitivity of the Rising Sign is really important for a number of reasons. One is that it establishes the entire architecture for your birth chart. And then the other reason is because your Rising Sign is the world through your eyes. And this is often misconstrued and misunderstood as the mask you wear in public, which is one of the more pervasive sort of descriptions of it. 

Em: Okay. 

Aliza: But I find that to be a very confusing way of thinking about it because a mask almost implies that it’s like a facade– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –or something you’re putting on or something external, um– 

Em: Sure. 

Aliza: –that doesn’t go deep. But your Rising Sign is your perspective of reality. So it is one of the deepest aspects of your chart. Your Sun Sign is a response to your Rising Sign. 

Christine: Ohh. 

Aliza: If your Rising Sign is like, I see the world– and Em, I’m gonna use you as an example here. 

Em: Sure. 

Aliza: If I see the world as a place where I need to create systems, I need to be prepared. I need to make sure that I’m actually doing good and contributing and helping and making the world a better place. My Sun Sign can do this by talking about things, by shedding light on things– 

Christine: Mm. 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: –by having conversations, by inviting people to open up and have more conversations. There’s a– The reason that all of the other planets exist is to satisfy the mission of your Rising Sign. 

Em: Interesting. 

Aliza: So– Yeah. 

Christine: Ooh, powerhouse. 

Aliza: So the Rising Sign is less about even the way that we sort of coexist and more the why– 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: –behind the how– why we are the way we are. So to learn that you love to be prepared– 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Aliza: –to learn that you– you know like that true crime stories could be like destabilizing for you is also for me like very Virgo Rising because you’re like– 

Christine: Interesting. 

Aliza: –how do– like this– 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: I– ’Cause these are upsetting things, right? You want to be prepared. You want to make sense of the systems of the world, and if something comes through, and it like– you’re hearing about people being unprepared, people like sh– you know, being duplicitous and like shifting and not being as they said they were and doing these like shady, very evil things, it’s like, “Whoa. How can I trust these systems?” 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: “And how can I like–“ You know, we have to avenge these stories, which is also where the Gemini Sun kicks in and also where the Moon in Cancer, which is so sensitive, you know, so much of, of wanting to– is very compassionate. It’s wanting to like be the, the, the people’s person, right? It’s like you want to make sure that people have– are being tended to and cared about and cared for. So for me in, in this– you know, in the way that I’ve gotten to know you already, I feel like it makes so much sense to have these– 

Em: Wild. 

Aliza: –reflected as your Big Three. 

Em: That’s– I– Wow. 

Aliza: And Virgo Risings are very, very smart– 

Christine: Uh-oh. 

Aliza: –and they’re also very– 

Em: [chuckles] Uh-oh? 

Aliza: –spiritual, low-key. 

Em: Oh? Well– 

Aliza: They’re one of the most spiritual signs. 

Em: –uh, Christine is convinced I’m a psychic, uh, is– 

Christine: No, I’m– I just know it. I don’t have to be convinced. 

Em: There, there have been some, I guess, some spooky encounters. 

Christine: We play, we play like little fun games, right? We get the like ze-zen– What are they called, um? Zener? 

Em: Um, like, uh, ESP– The cards. 

Christine: Yeah, those cards, and, and you– like, uh, Em is like freakishly [chuckles] good at it and is like, “I don’t know. I’m not even trying.” And I’m like, “Yeah, exactly.” [laughs] 

Em: Uh, no. I– And I mean, I am also a, a– We’ve all been at this point, uh, ghost hunters for a few years. So, uh– 

Christine: Oh, and when Em shows up, you better not touch a single label that has been put on every single microphone. And everyone has a ba– Every single camera has a backup battery and then every backup ca– battery has a backup battery, and then I usually break most of them. 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: And then Em gets really upset and has to leave the room. 

Em: I’m very s– 

Christine: Like it’s all kind of making sense now. 

Em: It does make sense. Yeah, very spooky but organized. Yeah, um. 

Christine: And I just like bump into everything. 

Em: Yeah, okay. 

Aliza: Yeah– 

Em: You’ve convinced, you’ve convinced me that, uh, maybe I am more connected to my Virgo stuff. 

Christine: I can see it now. I feel like I– that I needed the reframe of what a Rising Sign was, I think, to understand that. 

Aliza: Yeah. And just, and just to add a little bit more here with the Virgo Rising, you know, like a, a Virgo Rising is– Gemini and Virgo are both ruled by Mercury. So– 

Christine: Ohh. 

Aliza: And Mercury is the planet of communication. 

Em: Mm. 

Christine: And I like to say that Gemini is sort of the external a– version of Mercury. It’s, it’s the output, and Virgo is the input. It’s the processing of information. 

Em: Oh. 

Christine: Oh, wow. 

Aliza: So for you, there is just– you know it’s very mercurial to have this sort of like give and take of, “Okay, let me take in the information, learn about things–“ 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: “–and then I’ll offer my commentary.” But your commentary is also really– You know, at its core, your mission is to help other people find the confidence to talk too. 

Em: Aww. 

Aliza: So you are talking as sort of this like– you know your Gemini quality is really to invite and to inspire more people to talk– 

Christine: Aw. 

Aliza: –and more people to find their voice and more people to be able to communicate their truth. 

Em: [scoffs shyly] We should have you on every week. Damn. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: Sheesh. We should do a pep talk with you before every episode. 

Em: Okay. Keep going. No, um– [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: [laughs] Don’t let me stop you. 

Em: Yeah. [laughs] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: All right. I got to hear about Christine. I got to hear about Christine. 

Christine: Oh god. 

Aliza: Okay. So Christine, uh, double Aquarius energy. D– 

Christine: I’m a– 

Aliza: We know it’s Gemini, right? It’s a Gemin– 

Christine: –airhead. 

Aliza: Unless you gave– You gave me the 12:12 a.m., right? That’s– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. That’s my– Yeah. And it, it was– I thought it was 12:04 originally, and that was Capricorn, and I just could not figure that one out. And then it turns out, nope, Aquarius also. [chuckles] 

Aliza: So there– You know, there’s an interesting relationship between Capricorn and Aquarius in that they’re both Saturn-ruled traditionally signs, and the translation of that is like they’re both very serious– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –in their own ways, you know. They both are– No funny business with the Capricorns and the Aquarians, but the way that that manifests for Aquarians is very much about like– [chuckles] It, it’s ironically like trying to– It’s “no funny business” in like “why are you taking everything so seriously?” 

Christine: So seriously. Exactly. 

Aliza: Like– [chuckles] 

Christine: Yes. 

Aliza: Like, “Let’s be real here.” Like, “Nothing matters.” Everything is– 

Christine: Ah! Em! 

Em: F– You– 

Christine: That’s my thing! I always run around– 

Em: That's so weird. 

Christine: –and I go, “Nothing matters.” That’s my favorite line. 

Aliza: Wow. 

Em: Every time we’ve had a crisis and there was just no way out of it, Christine– 

Christine: And usually I broke something, and it’s a– 

Em: –will always just say, “Nothing matters. It’s fine. Nothing matters.” It– 

Christine: I’m like, “Let’s every–“ 

Em: That’s so weird that you just said that. 

Christine: Yeah, let’s all– “Let’s all be serious and remember that nothing matters.” [laughs] 

Em: She’s, she’s– 

Aliza: Yes, exactly. “Let’s be serious and remember that nothing matters,” because like– 

Christine: That’s hilarious. 

Aliza: And then in the weird way, everything matters– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –because nothing matters, right? It’s like there’s– 

Christine: Correct, oh. 

Em: Ooh, that– Eerie. That was– 

Christine: You’re like putting words in my head. 

Em: She’s said that a hundred times. That’s so crazy. 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Christine: Nothing matters– 

Em: Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. 

Christine: It became like an inside joke in our group ’cause we’d be like, “Right, nothing matters. Just come on. Buckled in.” 

Aliza: Wait, that’s amazing. That’s amazing that that– 

Christine: That’s really weird. [laughs] That’s really– 

Aliza: –is your exact catchphrase. That’s– 

Christine: And I don’t think that’s something I say on the podcast ever. 

Em: No. 

Christine: It’s only when we’re in like crisis, like me– Em and I. 

Em: It’s when we were on tour, and something would go wrong and i– sh– “Nothing matters. Let’s just get on stage. Nothing matters.” It was– That’s so eerie that you– 

Christine: That’s wild, yeah. Yeah, nothing matters. 

Em: Ooh. 

Aliza: I love it. [clapping] Yay! 

Em: Wow. 

Christine: But we gotta be serious about that. [laughs] 

Em: [chuckles] Yeah. 

Aliza: And be ser– And be serious. It’s like kind of like, “Snap out of it. Nothing matters.” Like, “Let’s go.” 

Em: Yes. 

Christine: Yeah. Just be authentic– 

Em: Yes. 

Aliza: [unintelligible] 

Christine: Just be here, yeah. 

Aliza: So you were born with, um– So when you were born– ’cause you have your Rising and your Moon both in Aquarius– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –the moon was coming up over the horizon– 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: –so you have your Moon positioned in your first house of identity. So for you, being lunar is actually an– a very important part of your identity. 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: And when we say “being lunar,” it means actually being in that sort of like ebb and flow of things, right? We were talking about the moon as this– 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: –constantly undulating entity. And so for you, like your moods are an important part of your identity. 

Christine: [chuckles softly] 

Aliza: You know, whether you are in a mood where you want to do something or not do something. Your feelings about things are an important part of who you are. Your instincts on things are an important part of who you are. Like you get a download on something and you’re like, “Well, you know, that’s kind of how it is. Change my mind.” But it’s– 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Aliza: Once you have that experience, you hold that really close as data for you. 

Christine: Yeah, interesting, interesting. 

Aliza: That becomes like a– That becomes a piece of it– 

Christine: Mm. 

Aliza: –that is unshakable for you. So understanding sort of like your emotional– your first emotional response to something, um, how you feel about a person, a situation, a dynamic is, is, is part of your processing mechanism, and it’s also sort of– 

Christine: Interesting. 

Aliza: –the first line of understanding a situation. 

Christine: Yeah, I can totally– 

Em: Makes total sense. 

Christine: Yeah, totally relate to that. I know we don’t have too much time. I don’t want to keep you forever, but do you have any, um, insight onto how our charts like, uh, connect or overlap or anything like that? 

Aliza: Well, you know, obviously, you were born one year and one day apart, which is very cute. 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: Em always clarifies that I’m the year older. Yep. Just to give everyone the– [chuckles] 

Aliza: Yeah, of course. Gotta– You gotta make sure– [chuckles] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: –the people know. [chuckles] 

Em: I’m a day older, but a year– Yeah. 

Christine: [laughs] 

Aliza: [chuckles] Not the same year. 

Christine: Not the same year. 

Aliza: Um, you’re– So you actually have the– even though you were born one day apart, you actually have the exact same Sun Sign in astrology. Because there is you know, um, 365 days in a year, and a birth chart and the sort of like operating system of astrology is a, a wheel, so it’s 360. So there’s always a, a, a variance, right, of a few days and degrees. 

Christine: Oh, I see. Sure. 

Aliza: 365 days, 360°. So you both are 13° Gemini Sun. 

Em: Hm. 

Aliza: So in astrology, this means that you have your Solar Return, which is your birthday, the same day every year. Whenever the Sun is at 13°, it’s, it’s a shared experience for both of you. 

Em: Oh! 

Aliza: And some years that’s gonna be June 4. Some years that’s gonna be June 3. Maybe one year it’ll be June 2. Maybe one year it’ll be June 5. But you really are– 

Christine: That’s why we have a birthday month, just in case. [chuckles] 

Aliza: Just in case. 

Em: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: You really are sort– You’re twins, you know. 

Christine: Oh god. 

Aliza: I, I always say that every Gemini’s pursuit is to find its twin. 

Christine: Aw. 

Em: Aw, precious. 

Aliza: That is the mission of every Gemini. 

Christine: That’s cute. 

Aliza: Yes. 

Em: Precious. Precious. 

Aliza: Yes. 

Em: And, uh, with your own sign, do you feel like that it speaks volumes to everything you’ve accomplished? 

Christine: Y-yeah. What sign are you? Are we allowed to ask you that? 

Aliza: Do you, do you want to guess? 

Christine: Oh gosh. Yeah, but I’m gonna be bad. 

Em: Are you– Well, I– You told us your birthday, so– 

Christine: Wait– 

Aliza: Oh, I did. Y– [unintelligible] listener. 

Christine: Oh, shit. You did. Oh, so it’s just a zo– 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: It’s just a horos– a zodiac pop quiz. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Em: But I– I can’t. Is that a [tentatively] Leo? 

Aliza: I’m a Leo. 

Em: Okay. 

Aliza: I’m a Leo. 

Em: Okay. 

Christine: I can see that. 

Aliza: But you want to guess my Moon Sign? 

Em: Hmm. 

Aliza: [chuckles] By the, the feelings? 

Christine: At night, she lays in her bed and thinks– 

Aliza: Yeah, so– 

Christine: –of the, the day. 

Aliza: What– An astrologer out podcasting by day. 

Em: I would say Pisces? 

Aliza: Yes, you got it. [claps] 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: Shut the fu– I told you Em’s psychic. I told you. 

Aliza: Psychic! 

Em: [chuckles] 

Christine: I fucking told you. 

Aliza: I love it! Yes. 

Em: Um– 

Christine: And when I see a piece of data, Em, I remember it, and I know it. [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] 

Aliza: Yes, collect your data. 

Em: Well, I would assume it takes a lot of like– I, I know Pisces are the stereotypically like the most emotional of them, I guess, or they’re– I don’t know if that’s even the right word, but I would imagine it takes a lot of being able to like discern– with what you do, I would, I would– I kind of went off of the logic part of me there where I was like, “Well, I guess you would have to have a lot of feelings and know how to operate with all of them,” so I went with Pisces, but. 

Christine: Mm-hmm. 

Aliza: Yes. But I, I also think, you know, there are so many great, very hyper-analytical astrologers who don’t bring any– You know, it’s almost like they’re– They approach it very clinically, like they could be almost mathematicians about it– 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: –where they don’t put the feels and the emotions in. Like that would not be available for me. 

Christine: Right, right. 

Aliza: It’s like– For me, astrology is– 

Christine: Those are for the MAGA, those are for the MAGA astrologers. [laughs] They can– 

Aliza: Yeah. [chuckles] I mean, ki-kind of literally. [chuckles] 

Christine: I mean, yeah like if you’re lacking in empathy, right? 

Aliza: That’s very key me to say in my industry, but yeah. 

Em: [laughs] 

Christine: It’s like– Yeah. [laughs] 

Em: We won’t tell anyone. No one heard, so. 

Christine: We won’t tell. Nobody will know. [laughs] 

Aliza: Okay, good, good. No one will know. [laughs] 

Em: [chuckles] No– Perfect. Well, we– Yeah, we don’t want to– I mean, we would like to keep you for much longer and ask you more questions, but we don’t want to take up your own time. But thank you so much– 

Aliza: Can I tell you one thing about 2026 for you both? 

Christine: Please. Listen, we, we, we would love to. 

Em: Never mind what I was gonna say. Yeah, go– Stay here. 

Christine: We could talk– As you know, we could talk forever, so, please. 

Aliza: Well, I, I do want to say that, Christine, you have a very big year coming for you– 

Em: Mm. 

Aliza: –because you are gonna have your Jupiter Return– 

Christine: Ohh. 

Aliza: –which only happens every 12 years. The Saturn Return gets a lot of– you know– 

Christine: Right. 

Aliza: –it gets a lot of airplay, but your Jupiter Return is sort of like the lucky abundant version of that– 

Christine: Oh, thank god. [chuckles] 

Aliza: –and you only get it every 12 years. So the last time that you would have had it would have been– Well, what’s 12 years ago? 

Christine: Good question. Math is– 

Em: 2013? 

Aliza: 2014. 

Em: ’14. 

Aliza: 2014. 

Christine: Hey, that’s the year I met Blaise, my husband. 

Em: Aw. 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Em: Wow, lot of big, big things. 

Aliza: And it’s actually in the area of your chart associated with partnership. 

Christine: Aw. 

Em: Fun. 

Aliza: Yeah. 

Christine: I love that. 

Aliza: So there's gonna be another important partnership coming through this year. 

Christine: Oh my god. 

Em: Nice. 

Christine: Am I gonna have an affair? [laughs] 

Aliza: [laughs] 

Christine: Just kidding. [laughs] Just kidding. 

Aliza: Just like that. “The astrologer said.” 

Christine: Is Leona gonna say, “The other mom… in the corner.” 

Em: Yeah. [laughs] 

Aliza: Oh no. [chuckles] 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: Oh my gosh. 

Aliza: Twins. 

Christine: Twins. Oh, I love that. Thank you for sharing. And then does that mean Em’s is the year after that? 

Aliza: Yes. 

Christine: Oh, wow. Okay, Em. 

Em: Very cool. 

Christine: Back-to-back. [chuckles] 

Em: Very cool. 

Christine: We’ll see what happens. Uh– 

Em: Well, thank you so much for coming on and chatting with us and all that. It was awesome. 

Christine: It’s just fascinating. 

Aliza: Thank you so much. 

Christine: Yes, thank you. 

Em: And is there anything you would– I know I gave you a lot of hype in the beginning– 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: –but is there anything in particular you would like to direct people to before anything else? Uh– 

Christine: Links, socials? 

Aliza: I would say– I’d say my podcast. 

Em: Okay. 

Aliza: Come from, from one podcast space to another. 

Christine: Yes. 

Aliza: Head over to Horoscope Weekly. I have episodes come out every Monday and every Wednesday. 

Christine: I need that. 

Em: Perfect. 

Christine: ’Cause do you go over– I’m assuming you go over like that week’s like transits and things that are kind of in the air? 

Aliza: I do. I do. I do. 

Christine: Okay, that’s a– 

Aliza: And then I have horoscopes for every sign, and then on Wednesday, I do the AstroloTea which is when we talk about more like specific aspects of astrology. 

Christine: Now, that is cool. I cannot wait for this. Okay. I’m gonna– I’m behind on all my podcasts, but I’m, I’m preparing them for, for my big year, my big Jupiter Return. I’ll be– 

Aliza: Yes, Jupiter Return. 

Christine: –listening to all the podcasts. 

Em: Well, thank you so much for everything. Uh, we really do appreciate you coming on. I know you’re very busy. So um, and hopefully you have a good year lined up for you as well. I don’t know the, the stars to be able to tell you, so. But I– 

Christine: [chuckles] 

Aliza: I hope so. 

Em: –I hope so. 

Aliza: I hope so too. 

Christine: I can see it. Em’s psychic, and I think Em and I can tell. Right, Em? 

Aliza: [chuckles] 

Em: Yeah. 

Aliza: Okay, good, good, good. 

Christine: [laughs] 

Em: Yes, it’s gonna be so powerful. Yes. 

Aliza: I-I’ll take it. 

Em: Perfect. All right. Thanks, everyone. And we’ll see you, um, next month with more listeners episod– 

Christine: Yeah. 

Em: –listener stories. And– 

Christine: Oh, uh. That’s– 

Em: Why– 

Christine: We– And then Aliza, you can say, “drink.” 

Aliza: Drink! [chuckles] 

Christine: Yay! [laughs] 

Em: [laughs] Okay. 

Christine: We never plan that part out. 

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